by the glass

[Jason]

Now that everyone is warm, cuddly and using all these "wonderful" smiley faces what will be the next topic we can all get behind and just beat the pulp out of each other?
Just Kidding.
There were some great tidbits. Especially the part about fair price being relative. My guess is, this is the reason the debate has never been put to bed.
Nancy - corkage - the best way to get the answer you want is to offer some to the person, never bring a wine they already carry and make it interesting. Owners love regulars and they get all kind of perks no one else does. Find a place that you like and where someone won't be intimidated by your inquisitive nature. Good operators love enthusiasm and interest. Also remember that WL are often very personal expressions. There is usually one person who makes all decisions. This is a good thing, WL's by commitee always blow. The list usually reflects this person tastes and opinions. I used to put things on the list I knew would never sell, but I did so out of passion and respect for the wine. I also priced these very reasonably to say thank you to those guests who shared my feelings. On every decent list there is hidden treasure like this. Look for white Bordeaux, Riesling, Alsace and almost any read that is not varietally labeled. Also look for funky grapes or regions like Cab Franc or Gigondas.End of Bin specials are also fertile ground. Until you are comfortable with the secondary regions/grapes find a restaraunteur who can guide you through his list well.
Most of us in the biz like to share and wine people are almost always good people. Find the person who writes that list and ask for his or her thoughts. You may find some stuff that doesn't even see the list. Once your that good of a customer start requesting wines and let them know you'll support your ideas with your wallet.
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