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- Glass_A_Day - 12-01-2005

If city layout is the factor, Boston is by far the worst. DC is like NY as it is a planned city. If you can use numbers, you can find a street. Boston is like that maze in The Shining. Been lost for days in there at times.

- hotwine - 12-01-2005

Brussels tops the list in my experience..... no lane markers, few signs or traffic lights or even speed limits, monuments with traffic circles around them, every man for himself.

- Thomas - 12-01-2005


DC certainly was planned, but as a spoke system, which means a right turn is not a right angle--lost is usually what happens to me whenever I make a turn. I'm fine if i keep going straight ahead, which is impossible in a spoke and wheel [img][/img]

The NY City rectangular grid is the best by far (except of course for Greenwich Village, where West 4th Street actually crosses West 10th Street at one point--don't ask...)

- Kcwhippet - 12-01-2005

Dang, Foodie, that brings back memories. Remember Cafe Wah?

- wondersofwine - 12-01-2005

West 4th crosses West 10th! That's how I got lost after leaving Is-wine!

- Thomas - 12-01-2005

KC, remembr it? You bet. Until last February, the Village is where Anne and I had our apartment. Always loved the place.


History: When the NYC grid was being planned, Greenwich Viallge really was a separate village and the residents refused to allow their village to be sliced and made part of the program, which is why West 4th does not travel due west, something about the angle of the village boundaries at the time.

On the grid, all streets travel east/west and all avenues travel north/south. West 4th travels southeast/northwest.

Here's a tip. From Washington Square Park north, Fifth Ave is the dividing line between east and west. The numbers of streets begin at that line, so number 1 East 12th or East 42nd, et al and number 1 West 12th or West 42nd, et al are on either side of Fifth Avenue, and then you count from there. Once you get the hang of it, you can just about figure out which Avenue an address is near.

Makes both walking and driving a cinch, as long as you remember that one-way traffic on odd numbered streets goes west and on even numbered streets goes east. Major cross streets that go two-way are: 14th, 23rd, 34th, 42nd, 57th, 59th, 72nd, 86th, 96th, and after that I haven't a clue...

The downtown district is a mystery because it was not laid out, just paved over all the winding Dutch cow paths and gave them street names!

[This message has been edited by foodie (edited 12-01-2005).]

- hotwine - 12-01-2005

Sounds like San Antonio regarding the cattle trails, Foodie. Those (and stream beds) formed the roads in the old days, and civilization simply paved over the existing chaos... so that's what we've got.

- TheEngineer - 12-01-2005

Boston is really the only city which has not received major renovations by fire. SF has, NYNY has, Chicago has, etc,... As such, when rebuilt, they got a grid system. When you have a grid system, there are many many options on how to get from A to B. You can turn up one street, and across the next, or the next one or,etc,...
In Boston, the roads are as they have been for the last 200 years. When you don't ahve a gridded system and there is only one way to go from A to B, you get gridlock.

There is this one section of highway (section...maybe 20 miles long). The locals all call it 128, the maps all it 95. In one area, the signs show the following

128 South
95 South
93 North

Here's the this section the road is actually heading East-West,......How many ways can we say FUBAR??????

Seriously, I was heading east towards the city one morning and without changing a single lane, I was heading West and away from the city. On top of this nasty Boston Drivers, archane rules (have you seen a rotary with an intersection that goes though covered with both Stop signs and Lights), impossible high speed merges, etc,...

- Thomas - 12-01-2005

Not to mention all those middle fingers in the air as you pass by...friendly drivers too!

- winoweenie - 12-02-2005

That's just a friendly wave. WW [img][/img]