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- terrbear - 03-08-2004

I tried posting this question before but I think I was in the wrong area, so I will try again. I have a unique wine that I make and am keeping it a secret for now. I don't have the hundreds of years of built-up knowledge that grape winemakers have regarding growing, harvesting, fermenting, etc. What I really need is a wine chemist that will give me the neccessary specs and breakdown of my wine. If anyone knows this process or a name of someone I can get in touch with I would be grateful.
I need this info cuz despite everyones suggestions to give away my wine for free I am still trying to make it work...if not for me than for my children.

Foodie, even tho you discouraged me from trying to sell my wine, I believe that if you tasted it you may change your mind. I have not posted many comments but have visited regulary and believe you may be the most qualified to rate my wine. ( I hope I haven't offended anyone else) I don't have many bottles left to give away (until next harvest) but would be willing to send a sample to you if you are interested. [img]http://wines.com/ubb2/biggrin.gif[/img]
I agree that the odds and the paperwork involved will be overwhelming as you said but I gotta try! thanks, Terr
Ps. I did a search on my wine and this subject and did not find a thing.


- Thomas - 03-08-2004

I remember your earlier post but cannot remember on which forum it landed.

In any event, if your wine is not from grapes (if so, it is not wine, but that is another story) then you will have even more trouble selling it, unless you sell it completely on a local level. To make money selling it on a local level you'll need to produce a fair amount of it--making money in wine production is definitely connected to volume sales, unless you become a cult producer.

You can send me the "wine" to taste, but all I can offer is an opinion on it. Re, taking it commercial: don't know if my opinion about it will matter much. You'll have to do a lot of marketing homework for that answer.


- terrbear - 03-15-2004

Thanks for your reply, I just got back so sorry for the delay....anyway, I have done a bit of marketing and not ONE person has disliked my "wine" even beer purists! speaking of purists (in my opion)....to claim the name wine for grapes only, is like telling people to not use the word kleenex for tissues or zerox for copies. The more the purists claim the word wine, the more chances it will become generic...I for one hate using the term "fermented fruit juice"...it sounds terrible and it's too long!
I suppose that opinion should have been on the other post [img]http://wines.com/ubb2/redface.gif[/img]
I believe that at first I may have trouble keeping up with demand but will eventually catch up. Word of mouth will spread quickly and through samplings at the boutiques it shouldn't take long to become popular.
btw Is a cult producer simular to a microbrewer?


- Kcwhippet - 03-15-2004

I don't think being a purist has anything to do with defining what wine is. The dictionary defines wine as "the fermented juice of grapes". It doesn't mention dandelions, bluberries, tomatoes ar any other fermentable substance. It only mentions grapes. There are several sources that mention the fermented juice of other substances as wine, but only as a matter of convenience. Since we have no idea who you are, why are you so reluctant to reveal what you've fermented?


- Thomas - 03-16-2004

Kleenex and Xerox are commercial trademarks to identify a product or process; wine is an English word (with Semitic roots) to define a specific process; there is no comparison there.


- terrbear - 03-22-2004

ok team....whatever! We'll skip the grape\fruit wine debate. (I think I'm outnumbered anyway!) This post is labeled "home winemaking" and most "home winemakers" are gonna try making "fruit wines". I hope I'm not being a pain but I was really hoping to find some pointers on making and selling homemade wines. (not just the grape variety)
kc sorry to be secretive, I just need some time to get the jump on this thing before others figure it out. True, you don't know me....what would you like to know? I'm male, mid 40's, married w/3 kids, I work as a maintenance supervisor at a private school...running boilers, driving the bus for field trips, fixing everything etc. On the side I'm an artist,like to fish, bowhunt, scoutleader and now enjoy making and tasting wine. [img]http://wines.com/ubb2/smile.gif[/img]


- Kcwhippet - 03-22-2004

What I was referring to by my statement about not knowing you actually has nothing to do about actually knowing you. My statement stems from the fact that you're soliciting advice about marketing a wine made from fruit (apparently), but you're reluctant to tell us what type of wine it is. Are you concerned someone here may try to duplicate your recipe? I've seen and tasted many, many different fruit, vegetable and botanical wines in my business, and I've only had a few that I'd ever consider drinking again. The best I've ever had was a dry blueberry with a few years on it.

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- Thomas - 03-22-2004

I must have had that same blueberry--it was in a Cabernet Sauvignon blind tasting and would have fooled many of us had it a little more body.


- Thomas - 03-22-2004

terrbear, I gave you my opinion early on, but you reject it. That's ok. You don't have to accept any opinion. But you did get one.

The taste of a wine isn't only and isn't always the reason for its success.


- terrbear - 03-23-2004

It is I who feel rejected....no one has tried to help or even respond to my corking prob and I had hoped you guys would take me a little more seriously...I can't and will not give up!
kc; Yes I am concerned about someone trying to duplicate it. I can only tell you that it is a berry and despite your obvious experience and knowledge, you most likely have never heard of it and even if you have, it's the recipe that is the trick! The recipe was handed down to me and my father wishes he had persued it as hard as I am.
There now I've already said too much. [img]http://wines.com/ubb2/redface.gif[/img]
I've enjoyed the teams bantering, and I've learned bunches about (grape) wine from you guys but I've decided to move on....to find a wine mentor....someone to teach the secrets of successful winemaking...and become rich beyond my wildest dreams...ok strike that last part, I'd be happy just to get my kids through school. happy winemaking! terr

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