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- Innkeeper - 04-12-2001
The troops are back, and looking good. America is such a wonderful place!
- Bucko - 04-12-2001
They lost a highly sensitive spy plane.....
Bucko
- RAD - 04-12-2001
I thought it was a "reconaissance" aircraft.
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RAD
- Bucko - 04-12-2001
I don't want to splash cold water on the party, but I have a little trouble with why they did not ditch at sea and destroy the aircraft rather than allowing China to have an open invite to our secrets and data collection devices.
BuckScrooge
- mrdutton - 04-12-2001
Maybe this should be in RANTS AND RAVES.....
Spy plane - bull hockey. That plane was in international air space and was just monitoring radio and RADAR transmissions.
That is called Recon, not SPYING. Spying is defined as something clandestine; such as military personnel who are out of uniform, in an "enemy" country, for the purpose of either gathering information or causing some sort of disruption.
The EP-3 is not and has never been, to the best of my knowledge, a spy plane.
Remember Gary Powers? Now that was a spy plane and he was on a spying mission.
All that aside, I am very, very glad that our Sailors and Soldiers are back home, safe and sound!!
- mrdutton - 04-12-2001
Bucko, you can rest assured that the crew was very busy on the way down to earth.
There were 24 folks on that plane.
Only one pilot, one co-pilot and one navigator. They were flying/worrying about landing.
The rest were destroying the documents and instruments that needed to be destroyed.
- Bucko - 04-12-2001
I hope that you are right, MrD. AFA recon vs. spy plane -- we're playing semantics.
AFA the troops, they are from my state, and I am obviously glad that they are safely on the ground in Hawaii.
Bucko
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- winoweenie - 04-12-2001
It's not as if our trusted techies' dint' put the proper DESTROY buttons on that sucker. I'm sure that your beloved Boeing could ship 600 Gazillion of the remaing piece of patootie plane to China, Russia, Dr. No and the Isle of Man and we could all spend the resulting divies next yar. Bucko-psy-matic, let me lead the way.....WW
- Bucko - 04-12-2001
Mr. Weenie <snicker>, you lead the way and I will follow you anywhere, sweetie (as long as you keep pouring those old CA Cabs).
Bucko
- cpurvis - 04-13-2001
From reports throughout the ordeal, sounds like the troops did an outstanding job. I'm bettin' the P-3's sensitive data disappeared as fast as the Chinese F-8 that started the kafuffle.
And, any thread 'sa good thread that leads the way back ta pouring good juice..even with Mr. Weenie leadin' [img]http://www.wines.com/ubb2/wink.gif[/img] cp
- Bucko - 04-13-2001
Now that the troops are back, the gloves have come off, and more facts are coming to light......
BEIJING, April 13 — As Chinese troops surrounding the aircraft waved their guns and shouted at them to stop, the crew of the crippled American spy plane that landed on Hainan Island spent 15 furious minutes destroying secret materials before surrendering, senior American diplomats said today.
"The crew completed all of its checklist," one of the diplomats said when asked what share of the plane's sensitive items had been destroyed. This was an indication that the losses of American intelligence data and technology may not have been as great as initially feared.
Good job, eh?
Bucko
- hotwine - 04-13-2001
An incredible job! And I still can't get over how the pilot was able to recover that crippled airplane. Many with far less damage have gone down. All of those folks on that crew get a "Thanks and well done!"
- IrishMum - 04-14-2001
Did anyone see that footage of the same Chinese pilot (previously) playing "chicken" with another one of our boys at about 20,00 feet?! WOW...serious and scary stuff!
I am so glad to have them all home, and I am also extremely impressed that they made it to land in one peice!
GO NAVY!
~IrishMum
- hotwine - 04-14-2001
Nice homecoming. Sure glad we've improved on those in the last 30-odd years.
- Innkeeper - 04-14-2001
Will never forget homecoming from DaNang. Landed at Travis, snuck out the back door of the terminal where we knew there would be a faithful cabbie sitting. Jumped in and off to S.F. Int. before the bastards in front of the Travis terminal even knew we landed.